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Definitely recommend. I was having a terrible neck pain and they managed to get me a same-day appointment. The physical therapy was incredibly helpful and I felt so much better the next day. Very grateful and looking forward to working with Dr Ben Schacht in the future.
16:37 27 Jan 21
Dr. Ben Schacht has helped me do things I honestly didn't think would be possible. I was in a car accident in 2008 that caused some cervical spine injuries that were largely untreated. I never exercised but, in 2012, that changed. I built myself up over several years, but a subluxated atlas caused nerve compression on my left side and it remained underdeveloped although I had added 20+ lbs of muscle. I saw a chiropractor who helped me get the acute pain down to a manageable level, but it wasn't until I started seeing Dr. Schacht that I learned how to use these muscles again. I went in to see him about hip pain which subsided in about 3 weeks of work with him. Slowly I regained mobility and eventually we moved on to other imbalances in my shoulder from a previous dislocation and pain in my neck from the accident. Working with Dr. Schacht got me back into fighting form for my martial art and has restored my confidence. My pain is almost completely gone now! Dr. Schacht helped me set and exceed realistic expectations and I cannot stress how much my life has changed from workouts to even sleep quality. 10/10 would recommend.
04:19 14 Jan 21
These guys are great. They listened, made a proactive plan, gave me home exercizes and stretches printed out and on an easy app, and were so nice. Great hours for me too, since I work until 5pm everyday. I feel so much better and feeling confident I have the know-how and tools they taught me to stay out of back/ neck pain from my job. But I can always see them for a treatment if needed in a pinch! Both Docs are so kind. Low pressure, actual results. Very knowledgable, just wish I found them sooner. You get one on one time in a great facility. Free parking too 🙂
23:21 09 Jan 21
PRO Therapy exceeded my expectations. Dr. Kevin was extremely knowledgeable and thorough; he was also very friendly and dedicated to ensuring progress toward my recovery. What I liked most was the structure of my care: I was assigned strength-building movements to practice during the week at home so that Dr. Kevin could focus on manual manipulation during our appointments. It was refreshing to see the time and effort he put into developing a program for me. I couldn't recommend PRO Therapy enough.
17:01 05 Jan 21
I have had excellent care for trigger thumbs at Pro therapy. It began when I called Linda to schedule an appointment and work through insurance coverage. She always brightened my day. Dr. Kevin Spahr is a very knowledgeable PT. He has a wide range of treatment options to promote healing. One of my favorite things about Kevin is the importance he places on listening to patients. He takes this input seriously and uses it to help structure his treatment path. I highly recommend Pro Therapy as a very patient centered place to seek treatment.
22:25 23 Dec 20
Working with Dr. Spahr has been so great! I had been having neck / upper-back pain on and off for over a year and I thought it was finally time to seek help. From the first appointment I felt so welcomed at PRO Therapy and Dr. Spahr does an excellent job at communicating with his patients in order to find a physical therapy plan that will work best for their needs and lifestyle. I definitely recommend Dr. Spahr and Dr. Schacht to anyone in need of physical therapy, you won't regret it!
15:44 16 Dec 20
Great place to get therapy ! Everyone very helpful. I had positive outcome. I would highly recommend this place. Dr Schacht was very knowledgeable & helped me so much!!!
01:50 15 Dec 20
I’m came from Nebraska in need of a good Pt & I found Kevin! ! I was in a auto accident & he treated me very, very well! I highly recommend. Oh & I can’t forget Linda such a sweet loving lady. I’m going to miss them! You won’t be disappointed!
23:43 09 Dec 20
I had never been to physical therapy before going to ProTherapy. I did a quick google search and found that they had amazing reviews and decided to try it out after a shoulder injury. Dr. Ben was incredible! He listened extremely well, and created a plan to get me back to normal that was appropriate for my injury! I had a fantastic experience and highly suggest Pro Therapy Northeast if you are in need of physical therapy for any reason!
18:35 03 Dec 20
Last year, I had surgery for one of the worst frozen shoulders my orthopedist had ever seen. I completed about 8 months of PT in February with a different PT. This summer, my shoulder started to regress and I became very concerned about it! I was referred to Dr. Schact and am so grateful!Over the years, I have seen multiple PTs for knee and shoulder related injuries. Dr. Schact looked at my most recent shoulder surgery recovery in a completely different way than both of my previous therapists. I'm so grateful for the progress he helped me make and how I'm back to doing the fun things in life I couldn't do last year!My only regret is that I didn't know to go see him last year when my shoulder started freezing up. He really is the best and I can't recommend him highly enough!
02:08 23 Oct 20
Dr. Spahr and team helped me recover quickly. I had a fantastic experience in the clinic.
02:54 22 Oct 20
Dr. Kevin and Dr. Ben did a great job! The sessions were extremely helpful and I still work on the exercises today. They are very easy to talk to, and took Covid seriously. Linda is also the sweetest! I would absolutely go back for any PT needs I have in the future.
04:00 20 Oct 20
I would recommend Pro Therapy without hesitation. I was treated very well and got results.
15:15 30 Sep 20
Ben ''the magician'', he was able to make me walk again. Optimistic about my situation from the first moment when I had really low hope on my recovery without surgery. Always thankful.
19:51 11 Sep 20
I have previously seen Kevin for a knee issue a few years back and just finished up a series of treatments with Ben for a frustrating Achilles issue. Excellent results both times, couldn't be happier!
15:08 10 Aug 20
I highly recommend going to ProTherapy if you need Physical Therapy. Ben and Kevin helped me after 2 surgeries and 2 injuries. They not only helped me with rehab to get me back on my feet, but they also taught me preventative measures so I didn't run into issues in the future. They also helped my teenage daughter with some knee pain from sports, and worked with her to change her stance so she didn't get injured while playing her favorite sport. 5 stars from me - they're great people, and extraordinarily knowledgeable!
13:33 23 Jul 20
I've had years of knee pain and after 2 months of working with Ben it's completely gone! Check this place out!!!
17:04 23 Jun 20
Highly recommend! Thoughtful and knowledgable staff, I went in for TMJ pain and migraines and was able to reduce pain and regain mobility in my jaw quickly and effectively through the help of Dr. Ben Schacht. Not only did we dig into some acute pain, we also worked through some chronic neck tension and tightness. All around great experience.
18:48 17 Jun 20
Came here because of chronic back pain. I felt listened to and was given resources to improve. Very open communication so your experience can be tailored to your needs. I saw doctor Ben and could not recommend him more! Thanks!
13:01 25 May 20
Both Kevin and Ben are excellent PTs. They made my rehab very enjoyable. I highly recommend them for any physical therapy needs.
13:00 08 May 20
Excellent professionals, They take the time to explain, they take the time to listen to you. I would highly recommend them .
13:45 09 Apr 20
My experience at PRO Therapy was so positive. I worked with Dr. Schacht and he was extremely helpful as I rehabilitated my shoulder. In the past I have gone to physical therapy offices where there are many patients all at once and you are mostly working independently, however at PRO therapy you are the only patient there and receive individualized attention and treatment your whole appointment. Dr. Schacht individualized my treatment, and varied it in a way that made sense for my progress.Also, the PRO Therapy receptionist Linda is incredibly kind and helpful and has helped me figure out some major insurance referral issues. The whole staff is patient and dedicate to their patients and I can't recommend them and their practices enough!
14:26 01 Apr 20
Ben is an absolutely amazing Physical therapist!!!! I was really happy with my sessions and he always encouraged me to do the workouts i could do and even made sure i wasn't making things worse for my back when i would have done so. He is also just a really good listener! I'll definitely go back if i need more PT! (sorry this is so late ben!)
14:53 20 Mar 20
I chose PRO Therapy after a car accident I had in the fall mainly because it was a convenient location. And I am glad I did. The NE location is very convenient and comfortable with easy parking and lots of coffee shops around. I mainly worked with Ben but the whole team was always flexible and willing to work with my travel schedule, etc. to ensure I didn't fall behind. My goal was to ensure that I would get back my fine motor skills and range of motion in my injured arm/wrist. Both Ben and Kevin took the time to listen to my concerns and goals upfront as well as through the process to ensure I was comfortable and consistently making progress. Ben really went above and beyond to make sure that I was able to get back to my normal workout routine. And just recently, after a bit of a billing mistake, Linda and Kevin worked it out to make sure that I wasn't paying late fees- which I really appreciate! All in all, I'm super happy that I chose to work with the PRO Therapy team and have already recommended them to three of my coworkers.
20:38 12 Mar 20
I have had to seek out physical therapy several times in the past. I decided to go to PRO Therapy because of the many 5 star ratings it has received.And now I know why they are rated so highly. NEVER have I received such in depth care! From the extensive history taken, to the details like Ben the PT taking notes while we interact during the exercise sessions, I was completely surprised how much individual care I received!I had a meniscal tear and when I told my physician I intended to try physical therapy before starting steroid injections, he was supportive but skeptical.I AM NOW COMPLETELY PAIN FREE. So no injections for the foreseeable future. (A very good thing!)If I ever need PT again, I won’t hesitate to visit Ben at the Northeast location. I heartily recommend them!
17:49 24 Feb 20
Pro Therapy helped me when my lower back went out on me. Not only did they get me back on feet but provided me the tools to keep my body healthy! I am so grateful to have found them!
02:51 22 Feb 20
PRO Therapy exceeds all expectations! Ben has a great demeanor and listened to my concerns when he put together my care plan. and his innovative techniques are refreshing Linda, the scheduler is very friendly and works hard to get me the appointments that work with my schedule. I recommend PRO Therapy to anyone who wants or needs physical therapy in all stages of injury.
12:53 20 Feb 20
I highly recommend Dr Benjamin Schacht. In the past when I had physical therapy the doctor assessed me once and the beginning of my treatment and left it to aides to work with me on exercises. That isn't the case with Dr. Schacht. He has worked with me one on one, not only adding exercises slowly as I've progressed, but also physically manipulating my knee and leg to ease swelling and pain. He is thorough, listens well, and is a pleasure to work with.
14:30 12 Feb 20
Both Dr. Ben and Dr. Kevin listened closely when I described my pain and were very driven to heal my achilles tendonitis. I was discharged after getting to about 90% of healing. I have days where my achilles feels close to normal and I think that I'll be able to get back to my achilles baseline with the home exercises that I was given. Both doctors use unique, hands-on treatment modalities, including Graston tools, that brought great relief to my chronic pain. I would absolutely go back to their clinic if need be.
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11:35 29 Jan 20
Wonderful experience with Dr Ben following a car accident. He is extremely personable and professional and creates an open and trusting environment. He pays close attention to detail and is comprehensive in his evaluation and care. He was also willing to reach out to other professionals to support my concussion recovery. Best experience I’ve had with a physical therapist. Highly recommend! Also! Scheduling was a breeze with Linda - saved me time and headaches. Much appreciated! - Mariel
14:53 16 Jan 20
These guys are great! Been to many different places for PT due to a shoulder injury. Pro therapy is by far the best. Very hands on, demonstrating the movements and exercises before releasing you on your own. I never felt rushed and Ben answered all my questions. They have all the newest equipment and tools for whatever your PT needs may be. Highly recommend!
21:51 14 Jan 20
Dr. Ben Schacht was an excellent PT. He helped me recover my ITB syndrome after the Twin Cities Marathon, as well as provided me exercises to work on preventing future injuries. Therapy included exercises, stretching, dry needling, cupping, and soft tissue massage. Would recommend anyone searching for a PT to reach out to Ben!
05:07 24 Dec 19
I've seen Dr. Kevin Spahr for two separate issues. Due to my first experience I opted to have my PT at Protherapy in Coon Rapids after a total replacement of my right knee. His care is top notch. He is dedicated to getting you the best results by tailoring the therapies he uses to your specific needs and is a very caring health professional. I felt very comfortable that my issues were addressed and met. There is nothing cookie cutter about the care received! Thank you Dr. Spahr!
00:27 07 Dec 19
I had the pleasure of working with Dr. Ben Schacht. After I began to see progress in my injury, coming here was a highlight of my week. Even though I was coming from gymnastics/bodybuilding background, Ben introduced me to so many beneficial exercises and techniques to improve my injury and maintain it for the future. I learned a lot of tips that I am able to implement into my workouts. He created a very comfortable environment and am very grateful for his help. Highly recommend!
16:38 29 Nov 19
PRO Therapy has been by far my best physical therapy experience to date, and I will go back in the future if needed. Dr. Ben did a great job listening to my symptoms and goals for recovery. After a few weeks of treatment I was able to run my marathon as planned and without pain! That wouldn't have been possible without Dr. Ben and the PRO Therapy team.
00:24 16 Nov 19
I worked with Dr Ben Schacht after a partial knee replacement surgery. I would give Dr Ben extra points if I could and here is why:He is an excellent physical therapist. Ben Listens to my needs. He plans his therapies with a person centered goal. Ben explains every detail of his sessions and he is very knowledgeable of what he does. I tend to ask too many questions and Ben has been patient, humble, positive, caring and helped me set realistic goals. His supportive and compassionate nature helped me through the healing process. I also like his flexibility. I never once felt under pressure to do anything I did not want to do. This just shows the values and integrity of Pro therapy. I will definitely continue to work with Pro-therapy for any nature of physical therapy in the future. Thanks for letting trust in physical therapy again.
16:23 12 Nov 19
I had the pleasure of working both with Kevin and Ben at different stages of my recovery. As an athlete, I understand that sport related injuries take time, dedication and good care. During the first stage of my treatment, Kevin helped me alleviate the pain, recover mobility and rebuild the scaring tissue with Gaston, dry needling, thermal contrasts and stretching exercises. For the second stage, I worked with Ben with the groundwork Kevin laid while strengthening the surrounding muscles. He understood that at that stage, I wasn’t ready to load the surrounding tissue with high intensity, so we worked with a new rehabilitation technique called Blood Flow Restriction (BFR). With it, we were able to rebuild the strength of the injured tissue with low weight, which proved to be a successful therapy as it shortened my recovery time. I fully recommend their practice and would suggest it to anyone in a similar situation.
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16:11 18 Oct 19
Phenomenal results after rehabbing from a car injury. Dr. Ben was exactly what I was looking for. Each Doctor has integrity and they are extremely well-rounded. Ben did an extremely good job of being methodical in the creation and implementation of a successful program, to get me back on track. He paid great attention to detail and is a very personable individual. I highly recommend for anyone seeking an excellent P.T. provider.
16:08 18 Oct 19
If you’re looking for a PT, ProTherapy is the place to go! 4 weeks before the TC Marathon I began to have bilateral Achilles pain that brought me to my knees. I could barely walk let alone run. I decided to make an appointment with Dr. Kevin Spahr at the Coon Rapids location. Our goal was to get me to the starting line.. I saw him twice a week for 3 weeks before the race, and at our last session I was amazed at how great they felt. I am happy to say that not only did I make it to the starting line, I made it to the finish line too!! With NO pain whatsoever. Dr. Spahr is simply the best. He listened to my concerns, my goals and ultimately is a big part of how I finished. If you’re looking for a PT, I can’t recommend ProTherapy enough.
18:23 15 Oct 19
Both Dr. Spahr and Dr. Schacht were incredibly helpful with my return to sport program after ACL reconstructive surgery. I went to them during months 7-9 in my recovery process to help relieve swelling, diagnose other deficiencies (my ankle and hip were compensating for my knee), and get some more exercises to work on strengthening my leg and confidence. I really feel like they listened to me and tailored my recovery process to my specific goals (returning to playing ultimate frisbee). If I were to have further complications or another injury in the future, I would not hesitate to return.
14:38 09 Sep 19
Kevin is such a great provider!! I had severe back pain form an auto accident that was complicated by a pregnancy. Kevin helped me get back to the point where I could exercise again and regain my back strength. Kevin is a smart, nice guy who will work with you until you have a solution to your injuries. I also highly recommend the dry needling. It helped me immensely.
17:37 27 Aug 19
PRO Therapy was great! Both Ben and Kevin were invested in helping me recover from various injuries. I would highly recommend them to anyone looking for physical therapy no matter what the issue may be.
18:09 22 Aug 19
I worked with Dr. Ben Schacht. He worked with me on an issue with my foot and also my knees. He did a top notch job and designed a personalized physical therapy plan for me that worked great. Dr. Schacht also provided hands on therapy to the area which aided in my recovery even more. I could tell he truly wanted me to feel better and be able to live my life pain free once again. I give PRO Therapy a strong 5/5 and will be using them again should any more issues arise.
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22:08 28 Jul 19
Great physical therapy location in NE! Both therapists are amazing, I mostly worked with Ben. Great care - highly recommend!
00:35 10 Jul 19
These guys are the best! I had some nagging shoulder and back pain that had persisted for a while and after seeing these guys consistently for a few months I am doing so much better. Dr. Spahr and Dr. Schacht both truly care about their patients and are willing to try new/different science-based techniques when applicable. They have always been willing to answer any questions I had regarding fitness, nutrition, and just general well being. I was actually a little saddened upon finishing treatment as I truly enjoyed my time here.
23:09 12 Jun 19
My experience with Dr. Ben was excellent. He provided knowledgeable care, has a great personality and I would recommend him to anybody. I feel like the therapy provided great results. Thank you!
23:23 06 Jun 19
Dr. Ben Schacht took an entirely new approach to my back pain that many in the past completely overlooked, and had very positive results. I have been spasm free since beginning my therapy. I would highly recommend Dr. Schacht and Pro Therapy.
13:51 29 May 19
Dr. Spahr is fantastic. His therapies have reduced my pain and improved my quality of life. I’m very grateful for finding his practice.
02:20 23 May 19
I reached out to PRO Therapy for treatment related to TMJ, and couldn't be happier with the results. Dr. Ben has been excellent to work with, and does a great job of explaining everything. I highly recommend this clinic!
21:59 09 May 19
I would highly recommend Dr. Kevin and Dr. Ben. They are both incredibly knowledge and friendly.I originally got PT at Park Nicolette for ongoing knee issues I was having. Park Nicolette cut me loose after a month or so declaring me fit even though I was still experiencing issues with both knees.After much search, googling, and vetting, I landed on pro therapy and it was a great experience. They took the time to diagnose me and set me up with a holistic recovery plan that included treating the acute pain I was experiencing, strength training, stretching, and other exercises to give me the best outcomes.I'm a life long athlete and an incredibly grateful to be running and biking again. My main goal was to be able to be able to run 3 miles again by the time my daughter was born and they got me their and beyond.Best PT experience I've had some college athletics. Give em a try!
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The physical therapists are excellent! They set your plan according to what your lifestyle demands. They bring industry best practices and the latest technology to your program so you can get back to a full, normal life. The staff gets to know you on a personal level and make you feel at home while providing top-notch care. The receptionist is such a joy to talk to and helps get you started on your recovery process.
23:16 29 Apr 19
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Dr. Kevin and Dr. Ben truly understand the difference between just treating an injury and understanding the full scope of the patient they are working to help heal. I have had the unlucky privilege of having multiple surgeries through my athletic career and have experienced a number of PT and rehab specialists. When my daughter experienced her first true injury in HS soccer, we were referred to Dr. Kevin and Ben from our Chiropractor. To say their support and service is great, is a tremendous understatement. The custom care they provide, the cutting edge treatment and depth of knowledge has allowed my daughter to recover at a much faster rate than I expected. We had a timeline for a hamstring injury to heal up and they were able to help that healing advance, getting my daughter back ahead of expectations. They are diligent, caring and very genuine, their support staff work with your schedule and communicate to help you find times that work. They have two locations. CR and Mpls, both of which absolutely get the job done. I highly recommend Dr. Kevin and Dr. Ben, two very high caliber individuals who treat you and get to truly know you.
13:27 18 Apr 19
I have been working with Kevin for a little under a year for an injury with my foot. The first day I was amazed on how hands on he was. In the office he tried many different treatments and they all helped me immensely. I'm so happy that I went to him for physical therapy. Some physical therapists just give you excersies and that's all you do. Kevin goes so much more in depth. If it wasn't for Kevin I don't think I would've gotten back to 100% as quickly as I did.
20:12 21 Dec 18
Dr Kevin Spahr helped me to be pain free and return to my normal exercise program confident in preventing any further injury. He is an excellent and caring clinician. I highly recommend him!
16:27 21 Dec 18
Great experience getting therapy for tendonitis from Dr. Kevin Spahr! He provides expertise in the latest therapies (manual adjustment, Graston technique, taping) and guidance in rehabilitative exercise until I was healed. He tailors his approach to the needs of each patient -- no cookie cutter approach here!
03:51 14 Dec 18
Dr Spahr made a huge difference in my neck and back pain, after struggling for 4 years after an MVA. He gave me a free 45 min phone consult as I gathered information about his program. I started with him with confidence that he could help me. What makes him different is his hands on therapy using many techniques such as graston, cupping, long needling, electro-stim, and kinesiology tape. He was always very kind, caring and professional! I would highly recommend him! KW
00:25 15 Oct 18
5 Star review for Kevin!!! He came up with a plan for my “pains”, worked on them and now I feel great! A friend recommended him to me, and I highly recommend Pro therapy to anyone who needs PT.
01:58 22 Sep 18
I highly recommend Dr. Spahr for your physical therapy needs. He’s extremely knowledgeable, patient-focused, professional in all ways, and a gifted problem solver. He not only welcomes feedback, but he routinely asks for it, so he can best address your needs and build on where you’re seeing progress. He also takes the business side of his therapy practice seriously, providing an impressively smooth customer service experience. I needed therapy for a complicated running injury, and my recovery progressed in a timely fashion with his help.
18:51 18 Sep 18
(Steve) Dr Spahr is great with his clients and works well with them. He is extremely caring about the clients well being Highly recommend
20:19 19 Jul 18
I have been seeing Dr. Kevin Spahr for my PT and have nothing but great things to say about him. He is very attentive and interested in my situation. His goal has been to help me with the best plan for success to better health. I would sincerely recommend him or his team if you are looking for great care. Thank you Kevin!!!!!
22:14 10 Jul 18
Kevin was always friendly. He communicated clearly about my plan, current and future expectations for treatment success, and what I needed to do to promote my own recovery. I have referred others to him and would see him again for treatment.
16:01 20 Jun 18
After injuring my back at work, I had constant, debilitating pain in my low back and leg. I sought help from Dr. Kevin Spahr at Pro Therapy and it was one of the best decisions I have made. Dr. Spahr is not like other physical therapists, who see you for 15 minutes, show you some exercises, and send you on your way. Dr. Spahr is patient, takes his time with you, listens to your concerns, and is extremely knowledgable and passionate about his work and truly cares about your well being. Dr. Spahr has helped me decrease my pain and improve my quality of life. I am happy to recommend Dr. Spahr to anyone and everyone because he truly is the best.
01:54 07 Feb 18
I have been having an issue for about three years and have tried a few different treatments. I was referred to Kevin by another therapist. Kevin was able to analyze my problem and has put together a treatment program that has been very successful. I've been seeing Kevin for a couple months now and he has been able to take care of the problems I was having. I highly recommend his services.
00:51 24 Jan 18
I have nothing but good things to say about my PT with Dr. Kevin Spahr. As a patient who suffers from Fibromyalgia and other muscle pain at times, this by far was the best PT I have ever had. The new techniques Dr. Spahr used were so helpful and the simple yet very important changes to how I perform everyday tasks were so helpful with daily living..I would refer anyone who is suffering and in need of some meaningful Physical Therapy to give Dr. Spahr at Pro Therapy a chance. It may be the best thing you have ever done for yourself.
01:52 01 Dec 17
I had knee replacement surgery and I heard about Protherapy from a high school friend on Facebook who works with Dr Spahr and recommended him for PT. I had some therapy appointments already set up after leaving the hospital with the local clinic but decided to give Dr Spahr a call. At the appointment, we talked about my surgery, my history with previous knee surgeries and therapies, what my Orthopedist said and my expectations. I cancelled the other clinic appts and continued with Dr Spahr. He listened to my questions and concerns and explained each exercise and treatment as to what it was doing for me. I had some complications from the knee surgery and Dr Spahr made adjustments to my therapy specific to my needs. His 2 locations made it very easy to fit therapy appointments into my schedule and I was able to complete my all my recommended sessions I highly recommend Dr Spahr, my new knee is fully functional and there is no painAmanda K
17:10 09 Nov 17
I was experiencing chronic pain that had compromised my lifestyle. I made an appointment with Dr. Spahr and after an initial consultation and some simple exercises Dr. Spahr pinpointed the problem. Some simple therapy was performed which included Graston and taping along with a program to do some home stretching and the results have been very good. Dr. Spahr is very professional, extremely well educated and with the current services provided at The Clinic and Gym completes the vision that Dr. Harrison envisioned years ago. I strongly urge you to meet with Dr. Spahr for all your physical therapy needs.
17:12 08 Aug 17